{"id":2104663,"date":"2019-05-02T13:26:22","date_gmt":"2019-05-02T07:56:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/stockviz.biz\/index.php\/?p=2104663"},"modified":"2019-05-02T13:26:22","modified_gmt":"2019-05-02T07:56:22","slug":"are-stop-losses-worth-it-part-ii","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stockviz.biz\/index.php\/2019\/05\/02\/are-stop-losses-worth-it-part-ii\/","title":{"rendered":"Are Stop-Losses Worth It? Part II"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>We saw how, in aggregate, stop-losses do not add any value to a momentum portfolio after taxes and transaction costs (<a href=\"https:\/\/stockviz.biz\/index.php\/2019\/04\/25\/are-stop-losses-worth-it\/\">Are Stop-Losses Worth It?<\/a>) When you dig a little deeper into the actual positions that get stop-lossed and analyze their subsequent returns, we find that, on average, subsequent returns are not negative <em>enough<\/em> to justify trading costs. <\/p>\n<h3>During mid-2016 through April-2019 Bull and Bear phases<\/h3>\n<p>Here&#8217;s how the <a href=\"https:\/\/stockviz.biz\/theme-eq\/1a6c40b8-bdf1-43e5-829c-e3265bdb7f1a\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Momo (Relative) v1.1<\/a> Theme&#8217;s stop-lossed positions behaved 20-days after they got booted out, mid-2016 through April-2019:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2016-08-23.2019-04-24.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2016-08-23.2019-04-24.png\" alt=\"Momo (Relative) v1.1.density-T20.2016-08-23.2019-04-24\" width=\"3600\" height=\"1800\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2104673\" srcset=\"https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2016-08-23.2019-04-24.png 3600w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2016-08-23.2019-04-24-300x150.png 300w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2016-08-23.2019-04-24-768x384.png 768w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2016-08-23.2019-04-24-1024x512.png 1024w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2016-08-23.2019-04-24-250x125.png 250w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 3600px) 100vw, 3600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Summarized statistics across different holding periods:<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2016-08-23.2019-04-24.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2016-08-23.2019-04-24.png\" alt=\"Momo (Relative) v1.1.density-table.2016-08-23.2019-04-24\" width=\"2100\" height=\"600\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2104683\" srcset=\"https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2016-08-23.2019-04-24.png 2100w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2016-08-23.2019-04-24-300x86.png 300w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2016-08-23.2019-04-24-768x219.png 768w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2016-08-23.2019-04-24-1024x293.png 1024w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2016-08-23.2019-04-24-250x71.png 250w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2100px) 100vw, 2100px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Now let&#8217;s partition the total period into two. The first part covers the &#8220;bullish&#8221; market of mid-2016 through Dec-2017 and the second Jan-2018 through April-2019.<\/p>\n<h3>During the mid-2016 through Dec-2017 Bull<\/h3>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2016-08-23.2017-12-29.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2016-08-23.2017-12-29.png\" alt=\"Momo (Relative) v1.1.density-T20.2016-08-23.2017-12-29\" width=\"3600\" height=\"1800\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2104693\" srcset=\"https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2016-08-23.2017-12-29.png 3600w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2016-08-23.2017-12-29-300x150.png 300w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2016-08-23.2017-12-29-768x384.png 768w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2016-08-23.2017-12-29-1024x512.png 1024w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2016-08-23.2017-12-29-250x125.png 250w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 3600px) 100vw, 3600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Summarized statistics across different holding periods:<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2016-08-23.2017-12-29.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2016-08-23.2017-12-29.png\" alt=\"Momo (Relative) v1.1.density-table.2016-08-23.2017-12-29\" width=\"2100\" height=\"600\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2104703\" srcset=\"https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2016-08-23.2017-12-29.png 2100w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2016-08-23.2017-12-29-300x86.png 300w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2016-08-23.2017-12-29-768x219.png 768w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2016-08-23.2017-12-29-1024x293.png 1024w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2016-08-23.2017-12-29-250x71.png 250w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2100px) 100vw, 2100px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h3>During the Jan-2018 through April-2019 Bear<\/h3>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2018-01-01.2019-04-24.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2018-01-01.2019-04-24.png\" alt=\"Momo (Relative) v1.1.density-T20.2018-01-01.2019-04-24\" width=\"3600\" height=\"1800\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2104713\" srcset=\"https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2018-01-01.2019-04-24.png 3600w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2018-01-01.2019-04-24-300x150.png 300w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2018-01-01.2019-04-24-768x384.png 768w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2018-01-01.2019-04-24-1024x512.png 1024w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-T20.2018-01-01.2019-04-24-250x125.png 250w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 3600px) 100vw, 3600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Summarized statistics across different holding periods:<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2018-01-01.2019-04-24.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2018-01-01.2019-04-24.png\" alt=\"Momo (Relative) v1.1.density-table.2018-01-01.2019-04-24\" width=\"2100\" height=\"600\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2104723\" srcset=\"https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2018-01-01.2019-04-24.png 2100w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2018-01-01.2019-04-24-300x86.png 300w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2018-01-01.2019-04-24-768x219.png 768w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2018-01-01.2019-04-24-1024x293.png 1024w, https:\/\/portalvhds29z8xdrqhczq.blob.core.windows.net\/wordpress\/2019\/05\/Momo-Relative-v1.1.density-table.2018-01-01.2019-04-24-250x71.png 250w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2100px) 100vw, 2100px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h3>Conclusion<\/h3>\n<p>When looked at from the perspective of a single position, a stop-loss removes red ink and is out-of-sight\/out-of-mind. However, it is only when you look at their subsequent returns in the aggregate, that you realize that peace-of-mind comes at a cost.<\/p>\n<p>During the bull phase, when the whole market was shooting higher, stop-lossed positions recovered from their losses. Note how the skew is slightly positive. Stop-losses here were a definite drag after taking costs into account.<\/p>\n<p>During the bear phase, it does look like stop-losses helped &#8211; the subsequent returns of stop-lossed positions were skewed left. However, as we saw in our previous post, in aggregate, they did not add value after taking costs into account.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>We saw how, in aggregate, stop-losses do not add any value to a momentum portfolio after taxes and transaction costs (Are Stop-Losses Worth It?) 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